Meetup with Thomas Hardjono
Held 2024-09-02 / Published 2024-09-10
Thomas Hardjono is the CTO of Connection Science and Engineering. He leads technical projects and initiatives around identity, security and data privacy, and engages industry partners and sponsors on these fronts.
If I tell someone in Industry, "I wrote three papers," they don't see the value in it.
How to implement an Algorithm written by a Ph.
Internal R&D support needed
Trade off
Benefit to society
Business model
DFFT(Data Free Flow with Trust) Data & AI-driven Society
Trusted Data Network
Privacy First
Benefit to share data
Example: Health
Government said “You have to implement this API” to Banks
Government mandates that banks provide APIs that follow specifications
Example 1: Internet Establishment
Internet
Example 2: India’s Aadhaar and UPI
12 digits - biometric
Before Aadhaar
60% had no bank account
30% had no birth certificate
60% have no bank account and 30% do not even have [birth certificate UPI(Unified Payment Interface)
46% of all global payment transaction
Casually used for small payments of 2$ or so.
300 million monthly active user in India (Nov 2022)
India has soft power, soft influence by exporting to African countries. In politics (and particularly in international politics), soft power is the ability to co-opt rather than coerce (in contrast with hard power). It involves shaping the preferences of others through appeal and attraction. Soft power is non-coercive, using culture, political values, and foreign policies to enact change. In 2012, Joseph Nye of Harvard University explained that with soft power, "the best propaganda is not propaganda", further explaining that during the Information Age, "credibility is the scarcest resource".
In politics (especially international politics), soft power (as opposed to hard power) is the ability to incorporate rather than impose. It involves shaping the preferences of others through attraction and fascination. Soft power is non-coercive and uses culture, political values, and foreign policy to effect change; in 2012, Joseph Nye of Harvard University explained that in soft power, "the best propaganda is not propaganda" and further explained that in the information age, "credibility is the scarcest resource is the most scarce resource]" in the information age. Nye popularised the term in his 1990 book, Bound to Lead: The Changing Nature of American Power.
Nye popularized the term in his 1990 book Bound to Lead: The Changing Nature of American Power.
Expanding to Vietnam?
CitizenStack (Apr 2024) Proposal to UN
I was there representing MIT.
Creating Wealth in Emerging Countries
Created by making digital IDs free and making payments low cost and very accessible
All government Approach ⇔ Private Tech Approach
→DPI Approach
The Narrow Corridor.
Government running everything is cumbersome, too heavy, bureaucratic
Like the Internet, a middle way where the government provides funding and standards.
First the government funds and creates standards
Government funding such as ARPA
Somewhere in the transition period of 3 or 4 years, transfer to the private sector and let them build the operations and other services.
It appears to be the type of long-term investment that, if made, is expected to produce long-term value, but that the initial activities are not profitable and therefore not the first step to be taken if left to the private sector.nishio.icon
I am concerned about the decision making process.
How did you justify the investment?
Japan has an excellent digital ID system and payment system
Why doesn't Japan sell this system to Asian countries?
The value of a common standard payment system
This is not a story confined to Japan.
Asian countries (Indonesia, Malaysia, etc.) are growth markets
Japan is investing in Malaysia's semiconductor industry.
Similarly, why not sell my number system to Malaysia?
new AI economy rides on the data economy
The new AI economy is built on a data economy.
You need digitization (DX) as a prerequisite, and you can sell digitization mechanisms to countries that don't have it.
South Australia Data Exchange
South Australia
Aboriginal blood
Aboriginal blood sample collection from the 1950s?
40 million blood samples from South Australian citizens and Aboriginal people?
Why pharmaceutical companies are interested: different DNA structure from European descent
Health Data Exchange
Cross-country data exchange
A consortium of government, pharmaceutical companies, and MIT's Big Data Living Lab?
Takeda, GSK, Pfizer?
Confidential calculations using SGX
7 years from start of study to FDA submission
Mismatch between the drug development process, which takes nine years, and short-term payments
Big Data Living Lab
Sponsored by private companies
No government funding, because it's political.
digital democracy
Digital Democracy is a Key Issue in Brazil, Cuba, and Indonesia
Confusion in Indonesia's Elections
Conflicts among technology companies
Conflict between Elon Musk and LinkedIn founder
Brazil banned Twitter
Digital Democracy
Audrey Tang
Decentralized Social Networks are a kind ofNew Village の創造だと思っているnishio.icon Moshe(?) is now in India developing wallets, data wallets for citizens in India where they can put medical reports on the device.
Apple will produce phones in India, and will include a data wallet in the low-cost version(?). Benefit is 10 years after “influence”
Role of MIT: Training intermediaries and students who are neutral and can say this is what should be done.
Provenance of Data & AI for Supply
Data Sources and AI-based Supply Chain
Against child labor
The Xinjiang case was forced labor, not child labor, but, well, that's not relevant to the purpose.
Gap Clothing in the US
Buy the highest score.
Microsoft
More than 40 Chinese smelters in nickel and lithium mines in Indonesia
Satellite photos confirm environmental destruction
I don't want to buy lithium made in those places.
gpt.iconTRADEVERIFYD is a software platform developed by Mesur.io and is primarily a SaaS (Software as a Service) solution for analyzing supply chain compliance issues (such as forced labor and sanctions). TRADEVERIFYD will be registered as a trademark in December 2022 and will work in conjunction with Mesur.io's other technologies to improve supply chain transparency and efficiency I see the applicant is Mesur.io.nishio.icon
Mesur.io itself also offers Earthstream, a platform for real-time monitoring of the global supply chain and early identification of risks and problems, which allows companies to manage risk while maintaining supply chain stability Earthstream is a platform that allows companies to manage risk while maintaining the stability of their supply chains. I hear they are taking a fund from Microsoft?
gpt.iconWe could not find any information on Mesur.io receiving direct funding from Microsoft, but the company has raised money from other venture capital firms, including Techstars and Right Side Capital Management. In total, the company has raised approximately $1.77 million, with $775,000 in 2020 financing. It has also been selected for the National Science Foundation's (NSF) Convergence Accelerator Program!
Gartner Curve
AI Agent
Keely Earnhardt?
Two years of Twitter data
There is coordinated activity by about 80 bots.
Russians used to post on social media.
In other words, Russia and China were collaborating on a net work.
Her paper won the best paper award at a top-tier disinformation conference -> I'll look it up later.
How can AI help develop new services and new revenues?
Many companies question
=Transformational use cases that will bring in revenue in 2-3 years
The core of the problem is quality data.
Companies have internal data, but little
GPU high cost
I think a very efficient AI training strategy will emerge that does not require a GPU.
This is Capex.
How to get ROI
How it help me to make new revenue
In India, it was necessary, 68% did not have a bank account.
OpenID Connect
Banks, poverty and financial instability in India, sustainability in the EU, governments need a brocade to wave their flags
What is the brocade for DPI in the US?
Americans don't believe in country.
Private sector creates Confidential Computing Platform
If what you get out of it is worth it, the private sector will pay for it.
The bottom layer of IndiaStack is digital ID
The second is UPI settlement.
Working on the third data.
For US, Japan, need API for remote computation of data
IDs and settlements are stable.
one possible combination
the citizen keeps control of the data
remote computation using confidential computing infrastructure is paid for by the private sector
Transportation
I want to see the travel route.
Suica is logging transfers and purchases.nishio.icon
Data is gold. Data is king.
Everyone doesn't want to share data.
How do you allow collaboration to make this happen?
This one.協力のための技術という位置付けができそうnishio.icon Sanofi
I want to test a new drug in Mexico.
I need to find a subject.
We want to sell to Mexico and Latin America.
Abu Dhabi Health Authority
The problem of pharmaceutical companies testing drugs in Africa, but some drugs don't work because the market for the drugs and their DNA are different.
I'd like to do more experiments by selecting subjects according to detailed characteristics rather than "people".
eKYC
Digital identity only, no money
Facebook doesn't make money on ID either, it makes money on Ad.
Japan is bringing many foreign workers, Filipino foreign health workers to work in Japan
They need Digital Identity.
Need a way to send money back to their home countries.
Japan to Philippines = US to Mexico
Remittances from the U.S. to Mexico are $500-600 billion/year
Western Union has high remittance fees
You're not getting immediate money. You're getting soft influence and potential for growth in the Philippines.
Remittance Issues
[Anti-Money Laundering (AML) and Counter-Financing of Terrorism (CFT)
GDPR is creating export barriers to the EU.
States and governments are preventing data leakage.
Difficult for individuals to put out even if they wanted to.
Legal Framework for Data Sharing
Legal Framework
VISA
Mastercard
Cross border
Legal Framework
Sharing insight, not data
Need an attorney who understands data, technology, and techno-regulation
It has nothing to do with traditional legal agreements.
On the other hand, maybe we need a Law-savvy Engineer too.nishio.icon
MasterCard
450 engineers to connect banks with banks.
Same technology, same ID system, same encryption algorithm, SHA-512
Who should fund digital public infrastructure?
Who should fund DPI
Gov? Citizen?
What the Philippines Lacks is Engineering Expertise
IndiaStack
Aadhaar is a government built
Financial assistance to software developers
IDs don't pay.
1.2 billion people
UPI is built by Bank
Government mandated.
Indian government did not want banks to run ID system Aadhaar
Banks deal with money, not identity or personal data. The government has made that clear.
Data is done by private sector, like Health.
India's lack of portable data is a problem.
No medical records, bring paper
Japan is still doing things like the Medication Record Book...nishio.icon
I hope it will be linked to my number card so that I can easily pass it on.
Data is people own
Not insurance companies or hospitals.
Belongs to citizens and requires consent for access
Japan already has ID and Payment.
The question is whether it can be exported to other countries.
Can the Data portion be financial data?
India is still poor
There are 300 million middle class people who have credit cards, more than the population of Japan.
UPI currently has no benefits, Bank is forced to gov.
Increasing value as society grows.
Children of village women become college students and work in Bangalore and New Delhi
Bank accout required and become a customer.
If you look up UPI on Google, there's a PDF of the API specs.
Neither Communism nor Sillicon Valley Capitalist Third wave, India way
Social media funded by Ad
Distortion of communication due to operation with [advertising revenue
"We are trying to organize a takeover of TikTok through Project Liberty, an organization that aims to fight for a "safe and healthy Internet where users own their own data. Need other business model
Blockchain? Different layer
ISP - flat fee - local DSM Model where Internet providers charge a flat rate
pseudonymous: A pseudonymous
Verifiable ID
Reputation system
Post bad thing → kick / reveal = punishment
Mechanisms for kicking and disclosing real names when defamatory statements are made.
Recognition that Japan has also revised its laws to make it easier to pass disclosure requests for slander on Twitter.nishio.icon
Encourage positive discussion
Can't it be run by the national or local government?
I think it's part of the "minimum standards of living."
Compatible with the dissemination of information that is strongly related to the physical area, such as local disaster prevention information, event announcements, and exchanges of goods. Should be guaranteed regardless of the operator.
Roads should be walkable for everyone.
Because it is a SOCIAL GOOD
I've heard that there have been cases of people lying about PayPay being the only way to collect money at a drinking party, which is one of the opportunities to spread the word, as an incentive not to give away the means of communication, but I wonder what's really going on.
If this is correct, then the combination of Social Network and Payment has had the effect of decreasing the value of Payment.
economic growth
Spec for DSN
Spec for OSS
Means for Gov to facilitate
50% Gov, 50% Citizen or not.
So are JR tickets.
Passengers bought tickets, even on national railways.
India Stack doesn't do it?
High risk / low priority in India
There are more pressing issues such as Worker health
White paper promote idea to gov
Talk to politician
Policymakers are not engineers.
He may be an economist.
They could be studying government policy or government management.
They are not technical people.
It must be communicated in a way that is easy to understand.
Father of the Japanese Internet
Voice in the Japanese Government
DPI Conference Held?
That is a great example, I am sharing it with people!
Look at this. This was done in Tokyo."
Low cost and big impact.
A major influence on Japanese politicians.
Importance of technical demonstrations to politicians
Need to show this in a way that is easily understood by non-technical politicians.
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